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25-05-2008
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I will be part of a 10 person slideshow David Alan Harvey will be presenting at the Look3 photography festival this summer in Charlottsville and I need to prepare 10 photos for it. The body of work is from a series Iv been working on for the last few months. If it helps I have chosen Obladi Oblada as the soundtrack for my part and would love to have it sort of fit the song's mood. The entire collection is at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157603911888316/ and its 66 photos. A tighter edit can be found at http://jinju.carbonmade.com/projects/2066591 but its stll too many photos A (tentatively) final 10 photo edit is at http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/sets/72157605200281736/ If anyone has any suggestions on the final 10 photo edit, Id love to hear it. What should I add or take out? Any sequencing ideas? Its a bit late in the game for me to ask Ill need to get it in within a day or two but it would be great to hear your thoughts.
25-05-2008
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Rafal i have seen all the pictures not that easy to make a choice, alot nice and good picture the choice of 10 is not that bad for me good luck ,o)
26-05-2008
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I'm having a big problem with your latest series, Rafal. I simply don't understand where you're going : what is the message behind? what do you want to show? how do you want to make us feel? I 'm afraid you're stressing too much on the technical approach rather than the meaning, you've been switching lately from d'Agata to Parr although none of the two have swapped their works. you can't be both, it's either. I can see at least two different topics in your series : 1- the first is about a classic family, but completed on a too short time, probably it would have been better seeing your son evolving. You might be overating your work a bit, have you noticed that for the photographers who tried to document their family life (the one I know most is Pam) it took them years and lots of different situations. Here it's like you challenged yourself to make a whole photobook on a few weeks span. 2- the second is a kind of soft sexy pics of your wife, incl. pubic hair. Many travel photogs like Pam (again) D'Agata or Nozolino have paid their tribute to this style, although like a separate folder of their "family snaps", as lone travelers. I'm a bit bothered that you mix the two because I can't see the connection behind the two sides of your project, maybe it could have worked if you had presented a more specific link between your wife and son .. here I just see the link between your lens and the characters. And that's it. I would be more comfortable with a statement of yours upon your series... at this stage I can only point some incoherence within the set.
26-05-2008
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Well, Im not trying to be either, Luko, Im trying to be me and what you see is me working through ideas. Yes, I realize its done on a short term, Ive only been doing it for several months and all you see is a growing body of work that will undergo periodic editing down over several years to produce something bigger. Anyone who has ever tried a long term series has to start somewhere, Goldin didnt just wake up with a body of work ready for presentation either. Im not overrating anything. When did I rate it? Life is life. In it we have both family times, intimate times, sad times, happy times. Thats the link between all of them, they are part of my life and all I do is photograph it. I dont see a stronger link possible. If this is a body of work thats supposed to grow over years as an accurate portrayal of what is going on it will have to mix everything. As for the final intent of the project. Thats still evoving although I see it as something to show my son when he is old enough, a fusion of home life, his mother's side and my side of our family. Its a long term project in its infancy. Having said that, I think that a 10 photo edit at this stage will allow me to show the idea behind the intent for this project to a good audience and Im happy Harvey is taking it on Also I dont see how d'Agata comes into play aside from a certain oof look. While I do use it its purpose is very simple: I blur intimate photos to preserve a sense of privacy as far as showing too much. I am not at a stage where I want to show too much, only hint at it. the oof allows me to do that. It has nothing to do with d'Agata and its a bit insulting to bring up...my subject matter, aside from the trivial link of sexuality, hs nothing to do with the sexual deviancy d'Agata captures. As much as I like his work, its not something I woud ever want to shoot. edited by jinju on 26/05/2008 edited by jinju on 26/05/2008
26-05-2008
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[i]I dont see a stronger link possible. [/i] Then you have your set... why are you asking others to help you? I'm sorry I wasted your time. (and mine either btw.) ...but still, as far as i understand, the idea of the annual [url=http://www.look3.org/2008/workshops/harvey.html]Look3 workshop[/url] is to get a feedback from DAH on what you think should be a good photo essay. The purpose is not to impress anyone, it's a photo tuition achieved by DAH, you're paying fees for it... so try to get the best out of it and select the ones YOU think should make a great essay, what's the point of asking us? instead learn as much as you can, we won't be here as a crutch to select your future portfolios.
27-05-2008
111 post(s)
Its not for the Look3 workshop, its for the slideshow David will be presenting chosen from the work he has seen over months of interaction between him and users of his blog. Its already been looked at by harvey many times over the time its been growing and its already been invited to be part of the show which will be shown to am audience. I have a 10 photo limit as do 9 or so others. To be honest? I asked for ideas about an editing sequence because I was having a bit of trouble selecting the 10 shots. But if this is the mood of this place, maybe Ill take your advice and never ask for any help here again. happy? Also, let me say that I dont take responsibility for you feeling like responding to me was a waste of your oh so precious time. I asked for help with editing, if you feel like thats going to make you a crutch then you dont need to respond. I do appreciate the education you tried to impart to me though. edited by jinju on 27/05/2008
27-05-2008
142 post(s)
"[i]But if this is the mood of this place, maybe Ill take your advice and never ask for any help here again. happy?"[/i] Hmmmh... To be honest, some people are conscious it is not the first time you're moaning and grining after someone said he doesn't see perfection with your photos (may it be me or Francis or others). It has become almost a running joke. Maybe being a little less defensive would be more constructive for you and perhaps more enticing for the people who might take time giving their impressions on your images. So if you can't take it, dont ask for it, it's straight as that. If I were you maybe I'd ask myself why not so many people are responding... and probably I'd tone down slightly my voicing. Generally you get what you give, see.
27-05-2008
111 post(s)
I asked for help with an edit. Thats all I asked for. Nowhere in my response to you did I groan that you didnt see perfection with my images. I explained to you what Im looking for, thats all I did. Again, if you find it such a burden to simply help me out then why bother responding? It wasnt me who wasted your time. It was you.
27-05-2008
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" But if this is the mood of this place, maybe Ill take your advice and never ask for any help here again. happy? " Rafal i just want say, thet the forum is a free place and everybody can write and ask anything. your request in my opinion dont disturb, we are free to ask for a advice.
27-05-2008
111 post(s)
Anyway, I draw the line at personal attacks. Luko took a personal shot at me, going so far as to call me a running joke. I no longer wish to communicate with Luko at any level. Thanks you. You can close this thread Simon, its pretty much useless now. edited by jinju on 27/05/2008
28-05-2008
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With some great disdain, flys circle above. Awaiting their time to descend and consume just a little. Without means to strike or slash, for words move too slow, lower your brow Down to failings and life and the world circling below.
11-06-2008
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I've thought about this for a little while...coming back time and again. Why should you separate your appreciation of your wives sexiness (yes, I said it) from her and the son you have together? Those two are intertwined from now on. The moments stolen while your child is in another room; the quick, knowing glances kept from those young eyes. You cannot give up your humanity...most will not forget their virtues.The ability to give and nourish life happens to be one of the most profound experiences of an appreciative persons life. The combination of sexual tension and children can be unsettling, misinterpreted...but, in all reality, the point of sex IS children...we have just developed an appreciation of the process over time... Thank God. The mother Goddess...the venus...the fertility mother...all a tribute to women and their ability to produce life and older than any other religion that man has known. Why should we shy away from the truth and hide the exhilaration of childbirth and the inherent attraction that we find in those glowing mothers? Your wife is beautiful and so is your son; you should be proud and find an anvenue for your creative expression involving both...You're only as good as those that love you.
15-06-2008
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hi rafal i don't know if i'm late to your discussion... but here's my feedback whether or not the slideshow is over or not.. i can understand where luko is coming from in wondering what exactly you're trying to show.. it's too confusing at the moment... and i don't like your final edit at the moment. if you're showing us a part of your family life, i'd much rather see something with more emotions like this wonderful photograph http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2273714951/in/set-72157603911888316/ at the moment the photographs are not emotionally intimate. i do not really find any trace of d'agata but rather traces of SABINE by jacob aue sobol... it's not just the gritty use of flash... but unfortunately or fortunately.. it's also a certain coldness that that resembles sobol's work. i would suggest that you make a few changes in your final set. the fifth photograph doens't make sense to me.. especially within your final set.. the environment in the rest of your photographs is quite homely but this one pops out a little too much because it seems like it's in a restaurant.. it wouldn't have been a big deal if you had more photographs out of home in your set.. but this being the sole photograph kind of distracts and confuses. also i would suggest that you remove this http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2494213240/in/set-72157605200281736/ ok maybe i'll just list out my suggestions in an order 1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2282982537/in/set-72157603911888316/ 2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2561062868/in/set-72157603911888316/ 3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2273714951/in/set-72157603911888316/ 4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2276534173/in/set-72157603911888316/ 5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2294826339/in/set-72157603911888316/ 6 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2287678187/in/set-72157603911888316/ 7 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2287678359/in/set-72157603911888316/ 8 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2309531755/in/set-72157603911888316/ 9 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2380426718/in/set-72157603911888316/ 10 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jinju/2379589851/in/set-72157603911888316/ i'm afraid your current final set doesn't make any sense to me. in a slideshow how one photograph leads to the other is very important and your current photographs seem too disconnected at the moment... take care sohrab
16-06-2008
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Thanks Sohrab for the edit. Yes the slideshow is over, it was shown a couple of days ago at the opening of the Look3 festival by David Alan harvey and I was one of 11 photographers. The final edit was actually done by Harvey so I went with what he suggested. I guess its how you edit...he wanted something different from the sequence than your suggestion of emotional content..and thats how he edited it down for the show. edited by jinju on 16/06/2008